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David Staup



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Location: granbury, texas

PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotts

I may have a line on something that will help you, read the following:


" As soon as this message posts, I have 2 other off list
messages to you loaded and ready to send, each with attached support files.
> Getting these before you read this may confuse you, so I will hit send after
this posts so things are in the right order.
>
> While your answer can be complicated, I will give you the easy version and
something other list members can relate to.
> Initially, using microcurrent was for wound healing of otherwise non-healing
wounds and I have seen it work every time without exception, if it is done
right.
>
> The common relationship between most non-healing wounds and Mito seems to be
poor mitochondrial function for various reasons. This means low ATP production,
cell fuel. That is why it should be of interest to mito patients.
>
> Even in healthy mitochondria, ATP production can be pushed to much higher
levels with microcurrent. In some of the mito complexes seen by members of this
group, one of the problems is the mitochondrion membrane potential difference
between one side and the other drops off too quickly or at a non-ideal rate for
a given event.
>
> There needs to be a voltage or potential difference between sides or across
the membrane so that ions, as carriers, can move important materials.
> Like if your flashlight battery is nearly discharged, you see very little
light off the bulb, that is the result of lower than ideal voltage or potential
across the bulb.
>
> So in a malfunctioning mitochondrion, the pores leak this usually good
electrical charge
> across the membrane and the charge level is lower, it can not keep up the
level of charge to do all the functions. (Basically, electricity is just a
charge difference between two points and when there is no difference, there is
no electron or ion transport between them.)
> The result is lower function and lower ATP production because everything that
needed to happen and depended on charge difference to move in and out, could
not.
> The electron transport chain is not so effective, materials moving by ion
transport both ways are not so effective.
> The cell needing ATP is so low on ATP it is at the edge of survival mode.
Nerves don't fire right, if at all, muscles lack energy to move or run out of
limited ATP supply too quickly, muscles hurt and so on.
>
> However, if you bring in another way to help keep up the otherwise lost or
reduced potential difference across the membrane caused by leakage, you can help
restore function.
> It's like trying to pedal up a steep hill, you slow down but if somebody is
pushing you a little bit, you overcome the energy difference and make it to the
top.
> Microcurrent helping to keep up the membrane difference voltage or potential
can make that difference, as long as all the fuel needed by the mitochondrion is
there.
>
> Mitochondria pretty much know what to do and if the only shortfall is membrane
potential
> leakage, microcurrent can be of use.
> As in anything which can carry current, there is ohmic resistance and across
that resistance, there is a small voltage drop.
> So, when even these ultra low currents flow, there is a voltage maintained
across that resistance.
> Thus, enter the supporting membrane potential.
>
> Doctor Ngok Cheng MD et al, did a study papered in 1982 to determine exactly
how much ATP was produced for a given amount of DC current and in the process of
this well done study, found the ideal current for the ideal volume of ATP forced
production.
> That was in the range of 650 microamps DC.
>
> A copy of that paper as a word file is in the direct emails to you. There are
also wound healing before and after medical pictures from a 25 patient study
using microcurrent, to demonstrate how effective this is for that function.
> They are medical and of patients with non-healing wounds 6 months to years
before healing with microcurrent.
> If those called cases studies 1 through 3 (3 pdf files) would be too graphic,
don't open them, but as they all show a happy ending, learning may be worth the
visual stress.
> Proper Science may not always be pretty but it is truthful.
>
> I hope this answers your question. Microcurrent can be used as simply as a 6
to 12 volt DC battery, wide area electrodes 25 square inches each, wrapped in
water wet terry cloth towels, should be polarity reversed each 30 seconds to 5
minutes.
> A volume control and meter can be added to adjust the current for your
connection path. It's that simple. Some use automatic timers to reverse the
polarity.
> Mine are set at 300 seconds or 5 minutes.
> The effect is between where the electrodes / cloth covered are placed and
slightly nearby past that point.
>
> Mike


I've got the info from mike and will look at it later and get back to you

David
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damaged



Joined: 19 Jul 2009
Posts: 37
Location: Chicago 'burbs

PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 5:52 pm    Post subject: Attention; BROOKS Reply with quote

Brooks,
I recently talked to Craig and he tells me that you know of a cardiologist that understands how statins relate to mitochondrial function.

I'm assuming (hoping) that he is also aware of a method for providing empirical proof of this.

This info would be of great value to me as I deal with local docs.
Any chance of you sharing this info with me? Either through the board or via email?

Craig can provide you with my address.

Thanks,
Mike
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cjbrooksjc



Joined: 13 Dec 2006
Posts: 1056
Location: Fort Worth, Texas

PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Happy to oblige. use the Spacedoc link below for a complete review of Dr. Langsjoen.

BTW: if you want to contact me directly simply "click" on my email link on the forum at the bottom of any of my entries, or get it from my profile.


**http://www.spacedoc.net/peter_langsjoen


Also, ADEC (forum member) is another excellent repository of recovery methodology.

Best,

Brooks
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damaged



Joined: 19 Jul 2009
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks.
I'll be talking to you.
Mike
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